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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://kdiddy.org/2008/11/28/its-not-a-mistake-if-we-already-do-everything-rong/comment-page-1/#comment-1627</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Send this to www.theconsumerist.com. Youd be amazed at the response you&#039;ll get from PNC corporate (and no Im not in anyway affiliated, it&#039;s just worked for me before!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Send this to <a href="http://www.theconsumerist.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.theconsumerist.com</a>. Youd be amazed at the response you&#8217;ll get from PNC corporate (and no Im not in anyway affiliated, it&#8217;s just worked for me before!)</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Provo</title>
		<link>http://kdiddy.org/2008/11/28/its-not-a-mistake-if-we-already-do-everything-rong/comment-page-1/#comment-1623</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Provo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What’s really fucked up is that there is no &#039;closing&#039; my account with them. If PNC insists that I arranged payment to a merchant through them, they will re-open my account to &#039;honor their agreement,&#039; once again putting me in arrears.&quot;

Since I started working for a credit union&#039;s collections department, I have bashed my head into this &quot;problem&quot; far too often. I don&#039;t think there is a bank in the land that doesn&#039;t have this agreement with Visa, Mastercard, or their ACH processor. Basically, once you give another institution your approval to take funds from your account, they can pull funds whenever they want and the bank MUST attempt to process the request -- even if the account doesn&#039;t have funds or is closed. For POS transactions, it&#039;ll go through and put the account negative. For ACH, it&#039;ll probably bounce but still sack someone with a fee.

Dumb as hell, I know. But the thing is, by law, any company that you authorized to charge your account in the past MUST also honor your request to stop debiting a bank account of yours. If they don&#039;t, they are breaking the law. 

PNC sounds a bit hard assed on the whole process. Where I work, we lean toward reversing fees unless the member is an outright cock or has shown reckless use of their account. We also don&#039;t charge an investigation fee when a dispute arises. I personally hate the agreements the banks have signed that force them to honor pre-authorized charges even when an account has been closed or charged off. All the time, I see dormant accounts hit with insurance company charges and it turns out the insurance company didn&#039;t properly switch the person&#039;s payment source. No fun calling a customer to inform them their account is negative because some company didn&#039;t do its job right.

Kudos to you for keeping on this and trying to remedy it, despite PNC throwing you under the bus. Do you know if they reported you to Telecheck or ChexSystems? You may want to find out. If the account was negative more than a month, they may have. If they did, you&#039;ll have problems using checks or opening checking accounts in the future (it&#039;s tied to your driver&#039;s license and SSN).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What’s really fucked up is that there is no &#8216;closing&#8217; my account with them. If PNC insists that I arranged payment to a merchant through them, they will re-open my account to &#8216;honor their agreement,&#8217; once again putting me in arrears.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since I started working for a credit union&#8217;s collections department, I have bashed my head into this &#8220;problem&#8221; far too often. I don&#8217;t think there is a bank in the land that doesn&#8217;t have this agreement with Visa, Mastercard, or their ACH processor. Basically, once you give another institution your approval to take funds from your account, they can pull funds whenever they want and the bank MUST attempt to process the request &#8212; even if the account doesn&#8217;t have funds or is closed. For POS transactions, it&#8217;ll go through and put the account negative. For ACH, it&#8217;ll probably bounce but still sack someone with a fee.</p>
<p>Dumb as hell, I know. But the thing is, by law, any company that you authorized to charge your account in the past MUST also honor your request to stop debiting a bank account of yours. If they don&#8217;t, they are breaking the law. </p>
<p>PNC sounds a bit hard assed on the whole process. Where I work, we lean toward reversing fees unless the member is an outright cock or has shown reckless use of their account. We also don&#8217;t charge an investigation fee when a dispute arises. I personally hate the agreements the banks have signed that force them to honor pre-authorized charges even when an account has been closed or charged off. All the time, I see dormant accounts hit with insurance company charges and it turns out the insurance company didn&#8217;t properly switch the person&#8217;s payment source. No fun calling a customer to inform them their account is negative because some company didn&#8217;t do its job right.</p>
<p>Kudos to you for keeping on this and trying to remedy it, despite PNC throwing you under the bus. Do you know if they reported you to Telecheck or ChexSystems? You may want to find out. If the account was negative more than a month, they may have. If they did, you&#8217;ll have problems using checks or opening checking accounts in the future (it&#8217;s tied to your driver&#8217;s license and SSN).</p>
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		<title>By: NGS</title>
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		<dc:creator>NGS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This makes me terrified to ever close a bank account again. I&#039;m sorry you had/have to deal with this and I promise you that PNC goes on my list of banks never to do business with ever, ever, ever!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes me terrified to ever close a bank account again. I&#8217;m sorry you had/have to deal with this and I promise you that PNC goes on my list of banks never to do business with ever, ever, ever!!</p>
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		<title>By: kent</title>
		<link>http://kdiddy.org/2008/11/28/its-not-a-mistake-if-we-already-do-everything-rong/comment-page-1/#comment-1620</link>
		<dc:creator>kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>have you filed a complaint yet with the better business bureau? I&#039;ve followed this business for months now, and it sounds like you straight up got screwed.
Take all the paperwork, print out all your narrative accounts of their shitheadedness, and dump it in their lap.

They even have a Pittsburgh-specific website: http://www.pittsburgh.bbb.org

It may not get your money back, but the bank will at least have to deal with some grief.  And it&#039;s illegal to key all their cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>have you filed a complaint yet with the better business bureau? I&#8217;ve followed this business for months now, and it sounds like you straight up got screwed.<br />
Take all the paperwork, print out all your narrative accounts of their shitheadedness, and dump it in their lap.</p>
<p>They even have a Pittsburgh-specific website: <a href="http://www.pittsburgh.bbb.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.pittsburgh.bbb.org</a></p>
<p>It may not get your money back, but the bank will at least have to deal with some grief.  And it&#8217;s illegal to key all their cars.</p>
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